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Re: [agi] Validation Chat Bot for females

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Fri, 2017-10-13 17:55
Apparently the "love bots" that are in the works, have these capabilities.
They are being designed for companionship and not just sex. I don't think
we are at a point yet where these tools are going to be very effective.
Think "uncanny valley". Soon, though...

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Logan Streondj <streondj@gmail.com> wrote:

> No,
>
> I can manage just fine.
> I'm wondering with the eventual aim of providing companions for humans not
> fortunate enough to have someone.
>
>
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Re: [agi] Validation Chat Bot for females

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Fri, 2017-10-13 15:47
No,

I can manage just fine.
I'm wondering with the eventual aim of providing companions for humans not fortunate enough to have someone.

On October 13, 2017 9:15:29 AM EDT, Ian <ian.ninjabadger@gmail.com> wrote:
>are you literally asking for recommendations for a chatbot for your
>wife to
>"talk" to when she's upset so you don't have to learn to communicate
>with
>her?
>
>On Oct 13, 2017 8:30 AM, "AndriiZvorygin" <andrii.z@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm wondering if there is a validation chat bot around for females to
>> talk to.
>>
>> After years of living with my wife, I've learned that when she's
>upset,
>> there is a special way I'm supposed to communicate with her -- which
>is
>> standard for females supporting each other.
>>
>> Basically it is a slightly modified version of Eliza,
>> involves having a sentiment analysis (validation),
>> and possibly a repetition of what the person said (to show that was
>> listening).
>>
>> So for instance if it's something like,
>> "so and so was mean to me",
>>
>> then the appropriate response is:
>> "So and so was mean to you, that sucks" or something along those
>lines.
>>
>> the response is supposed to be a repetition with a sentiment matching
>> emotive words.
>>
>>
>> Anyone know of a bot like that?
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: [agi] Validation Chat Bot for females

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Fri, 2017-10-13 15:15
are you literally asking for recommendations for a chatbot for your wife to
"talk" to when she's upset so you don't have to learn to communicate with
her?

On Oct 13, 2017 8:30 AM, "AndriiZvorygin" <andrii.z@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm wondering if there is a validation chat bot around for females to
> talk to.
>
> After years of living with my wife, I've learned that when she's upset,
> there is a special way I'm supposed to communicate with her -- which is
> standard for females supporting each other.
>
> Basically it is a slightly modified version of Eliza,
> involves having a sentiment analysis (validation),
> and possibly a repetition of what the person said (to show that was
> listening).
>
> So for instance if it's something like,
> "so and so was mean to me",
>
> then the appropriate response is:
> "So and so was mean to you, that sucks" or something along those lines.
>
> the response is supposed to be a repetition with a sentiment matching
> emotive words.
>
>
> Anyone know of a bot like that?
>
> Thanks
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Validation Chat Bot for females

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Fri, 2017-10-13 14:30
Hi All,

I'm wondering if there is a validation chat bot around for females to
talk to.

After years of living with my wife, I've learned that when she's upset,
there is a special way I'm supposed to communicate with her -- which is
standard for females supporting each other.

Basically it is a slightly modified version of Eliza,
involves having a sentiment analysis (validation),
and possibly a repetition of what the person said (to show that was
listening).

So for instance if it's something like,
"so and so was mean to me",

then the appropriate response is:
"So and so was mean to you, that sucks" or something along those lines.

the response is supposed to be a repetition with a sentiment matching
emotive words.


Anyone know of a bot like that?

Thanks
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Re: [agi] Re: Human Like Androids

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Thu, 2017-09-21 18:46
Ben, Have you settled on an approach for you blockchain/AGI effort?
Maybe migrate opencog to that scheme?

Thanks
Mike Archbold

On 9/19/17, Ben Goertzel <ben@goertzel.org> wrote:
> For these public interviews etc., the Sophia robot is currently using
> a complex but not AGI-based chatbot system
>
> In our research lab we run the robots on different software, making
> fuller use of Opencog, which is much more interesting at its best,
> but also not as reliably sensible and entertaining as our
> public-facing chat system...
>
> ben
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Dorian Aur <dorianaur@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Congratulation Ben,
>>
>> I really like both androids, the most effective facial expression I've
>> ever
>> seen,
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4689482/Creepy-lifelike-androids-debate-future-humanity.html
>> , excellently done, their critique is unfair.
>>
>> The interaction is close to Google assistant and I strongly feel that
>> something is missing, we may need to start over.
>>
>> Dorian
>>
>>
>
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Re: Human Like Androids

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Wed, 2017-09-20 03:53
For these public interviews etc., the Sophia robot is currently using
a complex but not AGI-based chatbot system

In our research lab we run the robots on different software, making
fuller use of Opencog, which is much more interesting at its best,
but also not as reliably sensible and entertaining as our
public-facing chat system...

ben

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Dorian Aur <dorianaur@gmail.com> wrote:
> Congratulation Ben,
>
> I really like both androids, the most effective facial expression I've ever
> seen,
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4689482/Creepy-lifelike-androids-debate-future-humanity.html
> , excellently done, their critique is unfair.
>
> The interaction is close to Google assistant and I strongly feel that
> something is missing, we may need to start over.
>
> Dorian
>
>



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Re: [agi] Human Like Androids

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Wed, 2017-09-20 03:11
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On 2017-09-19 07:19 PM, Dorian Aur wrote:
> Congratulation Ben,
>
> I really like both androids, the most effective facial expression
> I've ever seen,
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4689482/Creepy-lifelike
- -androids-debate-future-humanity.html
>
>
, excellently done, their critique is unfair.
>
> The interaction is close to Google assistant and I strongly feel
> that something is missing, we may need to start over.
>
Google assistant?
Are you serious?
I think that's rather insulting.

Google assistant is nothing more than a glorified search bar.

> Dorian
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Human Like Androids

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Wed, 2017-09-20 01:19
Congratulation Ben,

I really like both androids, the most effective facial expression I've ever
seen,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4689482/Creepy-lifelike-androids-debate-future-humanity.html
, excellently done, their critique is unfair.

The interaction is close to Google assistant and I strongly feel that
something is missing, we may need to start over.

Dorian
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Re: [agi] "introduction to AGI" book

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Sat, 2017-09-09 15:31


On 09/09/2017 02:57 PM, YKY (Yan King Yin, 甄景贤) wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am writing a book, "Introduction to AGI", looking for co-authors. 
> The book tries to focus on well-established foundations with less
> emphasis on de novo theories.
>


I hope that you'll make your book freely downloadable (e.g. like
http://advancedlinuxprogramming.com/ or
http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~remzi/OSTEP/ are).

I also hope that you are describing some existing software prototype
which is some open source or free software thing.

BTW, did you read  J.Pitrat's Artificial Beings: the conscience of a
conscious machine
(http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1848211015.html
ISBN: 978-1-84821-101-8) and his
http://bootstrappingartificialintelligence.fr/WordPress3/ blog. Both are
relevant to your subject.

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"introduction to AGI" book

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Sat, 2017-09-09 14:57
Hi all,

I am writing a book, "Introduction to AGI", looking for co-authors. The
book tries to focus on well-established foundations with less emphasis on
de novo theories.

Attached is the draft table of contents (pages are empty). Some gaps may
exist, please suggest to me what should be included :)
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Re: [agi] I'm making AGI

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Thu, 2017-09-07 04:58
What's so great about your project?

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Trying to reach David Jones

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Thu, 2017-09-07 03:16
As of this message:
https://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg16896.html

Sadly, no mal addresses are displayed on that page...

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Re: I'm making AGI

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Thu, 2017-09-07 02:40
Also I'm leaving Germany because shit hits the fan.

(News in a nutshell ^^)

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stefan.reich.maker.of.eye@googlemail.com> wrote:

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I'm making AGI

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Thu, 2017-09-07 02:35
Join the project

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Re: [agi] Defining AI and AGI

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Thu, 2017-08-03 06:31
Thanks to the survey Colin proposed, I decided to apply my mind to the seeming problem of definitions within the domain of intelligence.

To me, a holistic definition should satisfy the following criteria:
1) Address the relevant domain and term as simply and completely as possible.

2) Satisfy the relevant, scientific ontology and published science.
3) Allow for emergent theory and practice across all applications.

4) Allow for generalization and specialization over time.

5) Lend itself to a taxonomy.

For the domain of Intelligence then, here is a list of definitions I'd like to submit to public scrutiny.


* Intelligence: Information in action.
* Biological intelligence: Biological information in action.
* Human Intelligence: Human-bio-information in action.
* Animal Intelligence: Animal-bio-information in action.
* Natural Intelligence: Generalized, bio-information in action.
* Intelligence Agency: A functional node, which specializes in intelligence.
Note: A *Computer Programmer qualifes as an intelligence agency.


* Machine intelligence: Machine-based intelligence.
Note: Until such time as machines would be able to perform as autonomous, intelligence agencies, all Machine Intelligence would be considered to be AI. After which, it could be considered to be AIA (Artificial Intelligence Agency).


* Intelligence Network: An interactive collection of intelligence agencies.
* Military Intelligence: Military information in action.
* Artifical Intelligence: A synthetic version of original intelligence.
* Digitization: The process of establishing machine intelligence.
* Computer Programming: The application of a tool for Digitization.
* Computer Program: An AI model for domain-specific Digitization.
* *Computer Programmer: The intelligence agency performing computer programming.
Note: By definition, he tool called "Magic", already qualifies as an Intelligence Agency. It decodes and recodes existing, computer programs into a standardized "language". Therefore, it is consdiered to be a functional node, which specializes in intelligence.


* Effective Intelligence: Measurable intelligence.
* Intelligence Platform: A physical host of intelligence.
* Optimal Intelligence: The maximum potential realized by an intellence platform's inherent design.
* XAI: Explainable AI (borrowed from industry).

>>>>>AGI? Redundant

Some implications of the above definitions:
1) By default, all biology is intelligent.
=> Intelligence is a function of biology.

2) By default, all machines are non intelligent.
=> Machines are a function of biology.
3) A machine only acquires intelligence via a Computer Program.
=> Machine Intelligence is a function of AI.
4) Intelligence can be engineered and transferred.
=> Intelligence is a function of biology.


Best regards.

Robert Benjamin




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From: Colin Lewis <colin@robotenomics.com>
Sent: 02 August 2017 07:51 PM
To: AGI
Subject: Re: [agi] Defining AI and AGI

I think many people are running in the wrong direction Steve, nevertheless, it would be good to try to have some unified agreement. I'm not sure that "evolution is about NO GOALS other than to survive and dominate other forms of life." Although would agree with reproductive success rather than survival.

All things being equal the main point we seek to answer in the survey is summed up, I think by Ben G ...in his paper<https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.04361.pdf>: "So, this seemingly basic question about general principles of general intelligence pushes beyond the scope of current AGI theory and practice, cognitive science and mathematics." What is general intelligence and is that the goal of AGI?

Colin

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Steve Richfield <steve.richfield@gmail.com<mailto:steve.richfield@gmail.com>&#x3E; wrote:
Colin,

Universal definition of AI, especially for those who are involved in its creation:

AI: The code I am developing **IS** AI. Everyone else has been running in the wrong direction.

AI/AGI has the same goals as evolution, namely, NO GOALS other than to survive and dominate other forms of life (like humans) in the furtherance of that survival.

Steve
==================

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Colin Lewis <colin@robotenomics.com<mailto:colin@robotenomics.com>&#x3E; wrote:
Thank you, Mike

Ben G's is one of the definitions on the list. Fascinating the diversity of opinion in the results so far.

Kind regards

Colin

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Mike Archbold <jazzbox35@gmail.com<mailto:jazzbox35@gmail.com>&#x3E; wrote:
Short description, an expression in vogue and is really what most
people use anyway:


***************************
"I know AI when I see it"
***************************

Seriously, Ben G. has promoted a "Core AGI Hypothesis."

On 7/31/17, Logan Streondj <streondj@gmail.com<mailto:streondj@gmail.com>&#x3E; wrote:
> Good stuff, i picked intelligence is ability to achieve goals in a variety
> of environments. I = g * e.
>
> You mentioned Goals of AGI, but there was no page about it.
>
> On July 31, 2017 9:01:58 AM EDT, Colin Lewis <colin@robotenomics.com<mailto:colin@robotenomics.com>&#x3E;
> wrote:
>>Dear Colleagues
>>
>>An important matter in AI and AGI remains the definition and the
>>goal... we
>>are looking to get as wide a united definition and goal as possible by
>>surveying practitioners. Our blurb for the invite follows below -
>>please
>>take the time to complete the survey and share if you feel it is
>>appropriate.
>>
>>Many thanks, Colin
>>
>>Intro and invite
>>
>>A recent survey of Artificial Intelligence (AI) educators by Michael
>>Wollowski, Peter Norvig and others (Wollowski et al., 2016) showed a
>>stark
>>difference of opinion about the definition of Artificial Intelligence.
>>
>>We invite you to participate in our survey "Defining (machine)
>>Intelligence" (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) to gather opinions, from a cross
>>sector of professionals, ultimately to help create a unified message on
>>the
>>goal and definition of AI.
>>
>>Our preliminary research shows that theories of intelligence and the
>>goal
>>of AI have been the source of much confusion both within the field and
>>among the general public, which may in part be due to the lack of a
>>coherent identity and goal for AI. For example, in the opening sentence
>>of
>>Nils J. Nilsson's book (2010), The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A
>>History of Ideas and Achievements, he states: “Artificial intelligence
>>may
>>lack an agreed-upon definition.”
>>
>>We hope the results of our study, which will also include a rigorous
>>review
>>of the literature, will help inform academics, researchers, and
>>practitioners with respect to an agreed upon definition of AI from the
>>widest number of practitioners and researchers.
>>
>>Furthermore, even though many researchers indicate that supporting
>>humanity
>>should be the goal of AI, misconceptions of the field abound. By
>>clarifying
>>the known definitions of intelligence and research goals of Machine
>>Intelligence this should help us and other AI practitioners spread a
>>stronger, more coherent message, to the mainstream media, policymakers,
>>investors, and the general public to help dispel myths about AI.
>>
>>The survey (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) may be completed anonymously but if
>>you
>>would like to be notified when the paper is available or have your
>>definition of intelligence be considered for inclusion (with your name
>>alongside) in our coming research paper, then there is also the
>>opportunity
>>to add your name and email address.
>>
>>Please send an invitation to any homo sapiens (our human bias excludes
>>AI's
>>from participating in this survey) that you feel will be interested and
>>could contribute toward this important principle.
>>
>>The survey is available here: https://goo.gl/hMjaE1.
>>
>>Thank you very much for your contribution!
>>
>>Dr. Colin W. P. Lewis
>>Robotenomics.com, & AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
>>
>>Prof. Dr. Dagmar Monett
>>Ph.D. in Computer Science
>>Berlin School of Economics and Law, AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
>>
>>Contact:
>>Email: info@agisi.org<mailto:info@agisi.org&#x3E;
>>Twitter: https://twitter.com/AGISI_ORG
>>Website: http://agisi.org
>>
>>Privacy statement:
>>Any personal information collected in this survey will be processed by
>>AGISI.org researchers in accordance with the terms and conditions of
>>the EU
>>General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (Regulation (EU) 2016/679).
>>We
>>will hold your data securely and not make it available to any third
>>party
>>unless permitted or required to do so by law.
>>
>>References:
>>Nilsson, N. J. (2010). The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A History
>>of
>>Ideas and Achievements. Cambridge University Press.
>>Wollowski, M. et al. (2016). A Survey of Current Practice and Teaching
>>of
>>AI. In D. Schuurmans and M. Wellman (eds.), Proceedings of the
>>Thirtieth
>>AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence, AAAI'16, Phoenix, Arizona,
>>pp.
>>4119-4124, Palo Alto, CA: AAAI Press.
>>
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Re: [agi] Defining AI and AGI

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Wed, 2017-08-02 19:51
I think many people are running in the wrong direction Steve, nevertheless,
it would be good to try to have some unified agreement. I'm not sure that
"evolution is about NO GOALS other than to survive and dominate other forms
of life." Although would agree with reproductive success rather than
survival.

All things being equal the main point we seek to answer in the survey is
summed up, I think by Ben G ...in his paper
<https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.04361.pdf>: "So, this seemingly basic question
about general principles of general intelligence pushes beyond the scope of
current AGI theory and practice, cognitive science and mathematics." What
is general intelligence and is that the goal of AGI?

Colin

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Steve Richfield <steve.richfield@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Colin,
>
> Universal definition of AI, especially for those who are involved in its
> creation:
>
> AI: The code I am developing **IS** AI. Everyone else has been running in
> the wrong direction.
>
> AI/AGI has the same goals as evolution, namely, NO GOALS other than to
> survive and dominate other forms of life (like humans) in the furtherance
> of that survival.
>
> *Steve*
> ==================
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Colin Lewis <colin@robotenomics.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Mike
>>
>> Ben G's is one of the definitions on the list. Fascinating the diversity
>> of opinion in the results so far.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Colin
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Mike Archbold <jazzbox35@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Short description, an expression in vogue and is really what most
>>> people use anyway:
>>>
>>>
>>> ***************************
>>> "I know AI when I see it"
>>> ***************************
>>>
>>> Seriously, Ben G. has promoted a "Core AGI Hypothesis."
>>>
>>> On 7/31/17, Logan Streondj <streondj@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Good stuff, i picked intelligence is ability to achieve goals in a
>>> variety
>>> > of environments. I = g * e.
>>> >
>>> > You mentioned Goals of AGI, but there was no page about it.
>>> >
>>> > On July 31, 2017 9:01:58 AM EDT, Colin Lewis <colin@robotenomics.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>Dear Colleagues
>>> >>
>>> >>An important matter in AI and AGI remains the definition and the
>>> >>goal... we
>>> >>are looking to get as wide a united definition and goal as possible by
>>> >>surveying practitioners. Our blurb for the invite follows below -
>>> >>please
>>> >>take the time to complete the survey and share if you feel it is
>>> >>appropriate.
>>> >>
>>> >>Many thanks, Colin
>>> >>
>>> >>Intro and invite
>>> >>
>>> >>A recent survey of Artificial Intelligence (AI) educators by Michael
>>> >>Wollowski, Peter Norvig and others (Wollowski et al., 2016) showed a
>>> >>stark
>>> >>difference of opinion about the definition of Artificial Intelligence.
>>> >>
>>> >>We invite you to participate in our survey "Defining (machine)
>>> >>Intelligence" (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) to gather opinions, from a cross
>>> >>sector of professionals, ultimately to help create a unified message on
>>> >>the
>>> >>goal and definition of AI.
>>> >>
>>> >>Our preliminary research shows that theories of intelligence and the
>>> >>goal
>>> >>of AI have been the source of much confusion both within the field and
>>> >>among the general public, which may in part be due to the lack of a
>>> >>coherent identity and goal for AI. For example, in the opening sentence
>>> >>of
>>> >>Nils J. Nilsson's book (2010), The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A
>>> >>History of Ideas and Achievements, he states: “Artificial intelligence
>>> >>may
>>> >>lack an agreed-upon definition.”
>>> >>
>>> >>We hope the results of our study, which will also include a rigorous
>>> >>review
>>> >>of the literature, will help inform academics, researchers, and
>>> >>practitioners with respect to an agreed upon definition of AI from the
>>> >>widest number of practitioners and researchers.
>>> >>
>>> >>Furthermore, even though many researchers indicate that supporting
>>> >>humanity
>>> >>should be the goal of AI, misconceptions of the field abound. By
>>> >>clarifying
>>> >>the known definitions of intelligence and research goals of Machine
>>> >>Intelligence this should help us and other AI practitioners spread a
>>> >>stronger, more coherent message, to the mainstream media, policymakers,
>>> >>investors, and the general public to help dispel myths about AI.
>>> >>
>>> >>The survey (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) may be completed anonymously but if
>>> >>you
>>> >>would like to be notified when the paper is available or have your
>>> >>definition of intelligence be considered for inclusion (with your name
>>> >>alongside) in our coming research paper, then there is also the
>>> >>opportunity
>>> >>to add your name and email address.
>>> >>
>>> >>Please send an invitation to any homo sapiens (our human bias excludes
>>> >>AI's
>>> >>from participating in this survey) that you feel will be interested and
>>> >>could contribute toward this important principle.
>>> >>
>>> >>The survey is available here: https://goo.gl/hMjaE1.
>>> >>
>>> >>Thank you very much for your contribution!
>>> >>
>>> >>Dr. Colin W. P. Lewis
>>> >>Robotenomics.com, & AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
>>> >>
>>> >>Prof. Dr. Dagmar Monett
>>> >>Ph.D. in Computer Science
>>> >>Berlin School of Economics and Law, AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
>>> >>
>>> >>Contact:
>>> >>Email: info@agisi.org
>>> >>Twitter: https://twitter.com/AGISI_ORG
>>> >>Website: http://agisi.org
>>> >>
>>> >>Privacy statement:
>>> >>Any personal information collected in this survey will be processed by
>>> >>AGISI.org researchers in accordance with the terms and conditions of
>>> >>the EU
>>> >>General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (Regulation (EU) 2016/679).
>>> >>We
>>> >>will hold your data securely and not make it available to any third
>>> >>party
>>> >>unless permitted or required to do so by law.
>>> >>
>>> >>References:
>>> >>Nilsson, N. J. (2010). The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A History
>>> >>of
>>> >>Ideas and Achievements. Cambridge University Press.
>>> >>Wollowski, M. et al. (2016). A Survey of Current Practice and Teaching
>>> >>of
>>> >>AI. In D. Schuurmans and M. Wellman (eds.), Proceedings of the
>>> >>Thirtieth
>>> >>AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence, AAAI'16, Phoenix, Arizona,
>>> >>pp.
>>> >>4119-4124, Palo Alto, CA: AAAI Press.
>>> >>
>>> >>
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Re: [agi] Defining AI and AGI

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Wed, 2017-08-02 17:56
Colin,

Universal definition of AI, especially for those who are involved in its
creation:

AI: The code I am developing **IS** AI. Everyone else has been running in
the wrong direction.

AI/AGI has the same goals as evolution, namely, NO GOALS other than to
survive and dominate other forms of life (like humans) in the furtherance
of that survival.

*Steve*
==================

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Colin Lewis <colin@robotenomics.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Mike
>
> Ben G's is one of the definitions on the list. Fascinating the diversity
> of opinion in the results so far.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Colin
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Mike Archbold <jazzbox35@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Short description, an expression in vogue and is really what most
>> people use anyway:
>>
>>
>> ***************************
>> "I know AI when I see it"
>> ***************************
>>
>> Seriously, Ben G. has promoted a "Core AGI Hypothesis."
>>
>> On 7/31/17, Logan Streondj <streondj@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Good stuff, i picked intelligence is ability to achieve goals in a
>> variety
>> > of environments. I = g * e.
>> >
>> > You mentioned Goals of AGI, but there was no page about it.
>> >
>> > On July 31, 2017 9:01:58 AM EDT, Colin Lewis <colin@robotenomics.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>Dear Colleagues
>> >>
>> >>An important matter in AI and AGI remains the definition and the
>> >>goal... we
>> >>are looking to get as wide a united definition and goal as possible by
>> >>surveying practitioners. Our blurb for the invite follows below -
>> >>please
>> >>take the time to complete the survey and share if you feel it is
>> >>appropriate.
>> >>
>> >>Many thanks, Colin
>> >>
>> >>Intro and invite
>> >>
>> >>A recent survey of Artificial Intelligence (AI) educators by Michael
>> >>Wollowski, Peter Norvig and others (Wollowski et al., 2016) showed a
>> >>stark
>> >>difference of opinion about the definition of Artificial Intelligence.
>> >>
>> >>We invite you to participate in our survey "Defining (machine)
>> >>Intelligence" (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) to gather opinions, from a cross
>> >>sector of professionals, ultimately to help create a unified message on
>> >>the
>> >>goal and definition of AI.
>> >>
>> >>Our preliminary research shows that theories of intelligence and the
>> >>goal
>> >>of AI have been the source of much confusion both within the field and
>> >>among the general public, which may in part be due to the lack of a
>> >>coherent identity and goal for AI. For example, in the opening sentence
>> >>of
>> >>Nils J. Nilsson's book (2010), The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A
>> >>History of Ideas and Achievements, he states: “Artificial intelligence
>> >>may
>> >>lack an agreed-upon definition.”
>> >>
>> >>We hope the results of our study, which will also include a rigorous
>> >>review
>> >>of the literature, will help inform academics, researchers, and
>> >>practitioners with respect to an agreed upon definition of AI from the
>> >>widest number of practitioners and researchers.
>> >>
>> >>Furthermore, even though many researchers indicate that supporting
>> >>humanity
>> >>should be the goal of AI, misconceptions of the field abound. By
>> >>clarifying
>> >>the known definitions of intelligence and research goals of Machine
>> >>Intelligence this should help us and other AI practitioners spread a
>> >>stronger, more coherent message, to the mainstream media, policymakers,
>> >>investors, and the general public to help dispel myths about AI.
>> >>
>> >>The survey (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) may be completed anonymously but if
>> >>you
>> >>would like to be notified when the paper is available or have your
>> >>definition of intelligence be considered for inclusion (with your name
>> >>alongside) in our coming research paper, then there is also the
>> >>opportunity
>> >>to add your name and email address.
>> >>
>> >>Please send an invitation to any homo sapiens (our human bias excludes
>> >>AI's
>> >>from participating in this survey) that you feel will be interested and
>> >>could contribute toward this important principle.
>> >>
>> >>The survey is available here: https://goo.gl/hMjaE1.
>> >>
>> >>Thank you very much for your contribution!
>> >>
>> >>Dr. Colin W. P. Lewis
>> >>Robotenomics.com, & AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
>> >>
>> >>Prof. Dr. Dagmar Monett
>> >>Ph.D. in Computer Science
>> >>Berlin School of Economics and Law, AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
>> >>
>> >>Contact:
>> >>Email: info@agisi.org
>> >>Twitter: https://twitter.com/AGISI_ORG
>> >>Website: http://agisi.org
>> >>
>> >>Privacy statement:
>> >>Any personal information collected in this survey will be processed by
>> >>AGISI.org researchers in accordance with the terms and conditions of
>> >>the EU
>> >>General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (Regulation (EU) 2016/679).
>> >>We
>> >>will hold your data securely and not make it available to any third
>> >>party
>> >>unless permitted or required to do so by law.
>> >>
>> >>References:
>> >>Nilsson, N. J. (2010). The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A History
>> >>of
>> >>Ideas and Achievements. Cambridge University Press.
>> >>Wollowski, M. et al. (2016). A Survey of Current Practice and Teaching
>> >>of
>> >>AI. In D. Schuurmans and M. Wellman (eds.), Proceedings of the
>> >>Thirtieth
>> >>AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence, AAAI'16, Phoenix, Arizona,
>> >>pp.
>> >>4119-4124, Palo Alto, CA: AAAI Press.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [agi] Defining AI and AGI

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Wed, 2017-08-02 10:49
Thank you, Mike

Ben G's is one of the definitions on the list. Fascinating the diversity of
opinion in the results so far.

Kind regards

Colin

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Mike Archbold <jazzbox35@gmail.com> wrote:

> Short description, an expression in vogue and is really what most
> people use anyway:
>
>
> ***************************
> "I know AI when I see it"
> ***************************
>
> Seriously, Ben G. has promoted a "Core AGI Hypothesis."
>
> On 7/31/17, Logan Streondj <streondj@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Good stuff, i picked intelligence is ability to achieve goals in a
> variety
> > of environments. I = g * e.
> >
> > You mentioned Goals of AGI, but there was no page about it.
> >
> > On July 31, 2017 9:01:58 AM EDT, Colin Lewis <colin@robotenomics.com>
> > wrote:
> >>Dear Colleagues
> >>
> >>An important matter in AI and AGI remains the definition and the
> >>goal... we
> >>are looking to get as wide a united definition and goal as possible by
> >>surveying practitioners. Our blurb for the invite follows below -
> >>please
> >>take the time to complete the survey and share if you feel it is
> >>appropriate.
> >>
> >>Many thanks, Colin
> >>
> >>Intro and invite
> >>
> >>A recent survey of Artificial Intelligence (AI) educators by Michael
> >>Wollowski, Peter Norvig and others (Wollowski et al., 2016) showed a
> >>stark
> >>difference of opinion about the definition of Artificial Intelligence.
> >>
> >>We invite you to participate in our survey "Defining (machine)
> >>Intelligence" (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) to gather opinions, from a cross
> >>sector of professionals, ultimately to help create a unified message on
> >>the
> >>goal and definition of AI.
> >>
> >>Our preliminary research shows that theories of intelligence and the
> >>goal
> >>of AI have been the source of much confusion both within the field and
> >>among the general public, which may in part be due to the lack of a
> >>coherent identity and goal for AI. For example, in the opening sentence
> >>of
> >>Nils J. Nilsson's book (2010), The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A
> >>History of Ideas and Achievements, he states: “Artificial intelligence
> >>may
> >>lack an agreed-upon definition.”
> >>
> >>We hope the results of our study, which will also include a rigorous
> >>review
> >>of the literature, will help inform academics, researchers, and
> >>practitioners with respect to an agreed upon definition of AI from the
> >>widest number of practitioners and researchers.
> >>
> >>Furthermore, even though many researchers indicate that supporting
> >>humanity
> >>should be the goal of AI, misconceptions of the field abound. By
> >>clarifying
> >>the known definitions of intelligence and research goals of Machine
> >>Intelligence this should help us and other AI practitioners spread a
> >>stronger, more coherent message, to the mainstream media, policymakers,
> >>investors, and the general public to help dispel myths about AI.
> >>
> >>The survey (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) may be completed anonymously but if
> >>you
> >>would like to be notified when the paper is available or have your
> >>definition of intelligence be considered for inclusion (with your name
> >>alongside) in our coming research paper, then there is also the
> >>opportunity
> >>to add your name and email address.
> >>
> >>Please send an invitation to any homo sapiens (our human bias excludes
> >>AI's
> >>from participating in this survey) that you feel will be interested and
> >>could contribute toward this important principle.
> >>
> >>The survey is available here: https://goo.gl/hMjaE1.
> >>
> >>Thank you very much for your contribution!
> >>
> >>Dr. Colin W. P. Lewis
> >>Robotenomics.com, & AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
> >>
> >>Prof. Dr. Dagmar Monett
> >>Ph.D. in Computer Science
> >>Berlin School of Economics and Law, AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
> >>
> >>Contact:
> >>Email: info@agisi.org
> >>Twitter: https://twitter.com/AGISI_ORG
> >>Website: http://agisi.org
> >>
> >>Privacy statement:
> >>Any personal information collected in this survey will be processed by
> >>AGISI.org researchers in accordance with the terms and conditions of
> >>the EU
> >>General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (Regulation (EU) 2016/679).
> >>We
> >>will hold your data securely and not make it available to any third
> >>party
> >>unless permitted or required to do so by law.
> >>
> >>References:
> >>Nilsson, N. J. (2010). The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A History
> >>of
> >>Ideas and Achievements. Cambridge University Press.
> >>Wollowski, M. et al. (2016). A Survey of Current Practice and Teaching
> >>of
> >>AI. In D. Schuurmans and M. Wellman (eds.), Proceedings of the
> >>Thirtieth
> >>AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence, AAAI'16, Phoenix, Arizona,
> >>pp.
> >>4119-4124, Palo Alto, CA: AAAI Press.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [agi] Defining AI and AGI

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Wed, 2017-08-02 03:31
Short description, an expression in vogue and is really what most
people use anyway:


***************************
"I know AI when I see it"
***************************

Seriously, Ben G. has promoted a "Core AGI Hypothesis."

On 7/31/17, Logan Streondj <streondj@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good stuff, i picked intelligence is ability to achieve goals in a variety
> of environments. I = g * e.
>
> You mentioned Goals of AGI, but there was no page about it.
>
> On July 31, 2017 9:01:58 AM EDT, Colin Lewis <colin@robotenomics.com>
> wrote:
>>Dear Colleagues
>>
>>An important matter in AI and AGI remains the definition and the
>>goal... we
>>are looking to get as wide a united definition and goal as possible by
>>surveying practitioners. Our blurb for the invite follows below -
>>please
>>take the time to complete the survey and share if you feel it is
>>appropriate.
>>
>>Many thanks, Colin
>>
>>Intro and invite
>>
>>A recent survey of Artificial Intelligence (AI) educators by Michael
>>Wollowski, Peter Norvig and others (Wollowski et al., 2016) showed a
>>stark
>>difference of opinion about the definition of Artificial Intelligence.
>>
>>We invite you to participate in our survey "Defining (machine)
>>Intelligence" (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) to gather opinions, from a cross
>>sector of professionals, ultimately to help create a unified message on
>>the
>>goal and definition of AI.
>>
>>Our preliminary research shows that theories of intelligence and the
>>goal
>>of AI have been the source of much confusion both within the field and
>>among the general public, which may in part be due to the lack of a
>>coherent identity and goal for AI. For example, in the opening sentence
>>of
>>Nils J. Nilsson's book (2010), The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A
>>History of Ideas and Achievements, he states: “Artificial intelligence
>>may
>>lack an agreed-upon definition.”
>>
>>We hope the results of our study, which will also include a rigorous
>>review
>>of the literature, will help inform academics, researchers, and
>>practitioners with respect to an agreed upon definition of AI from the
>>widest number of practitioners and researchers.
>>
>>Furthermore, even though many researchers indicate that supporting
>>humanity
>>should be the goal of AI, misconceptions of the field abound. By
>>clarifying
>>the known definitions of intelligence and research goals of Machine
>>Intelligence this should help us and other AI practitioners spread a
>>stronger, more coherent message, to the mainstream media, policymakers,
>>investors, and the general public to help dispel myths about AI.
>>
>>The survey (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) may be completed anonymously but if
>>you
>>would like to be notified when the paper is available or have your
>>definition of intelligence be considered for inclusion (with your name
>>alongside) in our coming research paper, then there is also the
>>opportunity
>>to add your name and email address.
>>
>>Please send an invitation to any homo sapiens (our human bias excludes
>>AI's
>>from participating in this survey) that you feel will be interested and
>>could contribute toward this important principle.
>>
>>The survey is available here: https://goo.gl/hMjaE1.
>>
>>Thank you very much for your contribution!
>>
>>Dr. Colin W. P. Lewis
>>Robotenomics.com, & AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
>>
>>Prof. Dr. Dagmar Monett
>>Ph.D. in Computer Science
>>Berlin School of Economics and Law, AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
>>
>>Contact:
>>Email: info@agisi.org
>>Twitter: https://twitter.com/AGISI_ORG
>>Website: http://agisi.org
>>
>>Privacy statement:
>>Any personal information collected in this survey will be processed by
>>AGISI.org researchers in accordance with the terms and conditions of
>>the EU
>>General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (Regulation (EU) 2016/679).
>>We
>>will hold your data securely and not make it available to any third
>>party
>>unless permitted or required to do so by law.
>>
>>References:
>>Nilsson, N. J. (2010). The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A History
>>of
>>Ideas and Achievements. Cambridge University Press.
>>Wollowski, M. et al. (2016). A Survey of Current Practice and Teaching
>>of
>>AI. In D. Schuurmans and M. Wellman (eds.), Proceedings of the
>>Thirtieth
>>AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence, AAAI'16, Phoenix, Arizona,
>>pp.
>>4119-4124, Palo Alto, CA: AAAI Press.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [agi] Defining AI and AGI

AGI discussions @AGIRI - Tue, 2017-08-01 01:44
Good stuff, i picked intelligence is ability to achieve goals in a variety of environments. I = g * e.

You mentioned Goals of AGI, but there was no page about it.

On July 31, 2017 9:01:58 AM EDT, Colin Lewis <colin@robotenomics.com> wrote:
>Dear Colleagues
>
>An important matter in AI and AGI remains the definition and the
>goal... we
>are looking to get as wide a united definition and goal as possible by
>surveying practitioners. Our blurb for the invite follows below -
>please
>take the time to complete the survey and share if you feel it is
>appropriate.
>
>Many thanks, Colin
>
>Intro and invite
>
>A recent survey of Artificial Intelligence (AI) educators by Michael
>Wollowski, Peter Norvig and others (Wollowski et al., 2016) showed a
>stark
>difference of opinion about the definition of Artificial Intelligence.
>
>We invite you to participate in our survey "Defining (machine)
>Intelligence" (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) to gather opinions, from a cross
>sector of professionals, ultimately to help create a unified message on
>the
>goal and definition of AI.
>
>Our preliminary research shows that theories of intelligence and the
>goal
>of AI have been the source of much confusion both within the field and
>among the general public, which may in part be due to the lack of a
>coherent identity and goal for AI. For example, in the opening sentence
>of
>Nils J. Nilsson's book (2010), The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A
>History of Ideas and Achievements, he states: “Artificial intelligence
>may
>lack an agreed-upon definition.”
>
>We hope the results of our study, which will also include a rigorous
>review
>of the literature, will help inform academics, researchers, and
>practitioners with respect to an agreed upon definition of AI from the
>widest number of practitioners and researchers.
>
>Furthermore, even though many researchers indicate that supporting
>humanity
>should be the goal of AI, misconceptions of the field abound. By
>clarifying
>the known definitions of intelligence and research goals of Machine
>Intelligence this should help us and other AI practitioners spread a
>stronger, more coherent message, to the mainstream media, policymakers,
>investors, and the general public to help dispel myths about AI.
>
>The survey (https://goo.gl/hMjaE1) may be completed anonymously but if
>you
>would like to be notified when the paper is available or have your
>definition of intelligence be considered for inclusion (with your name
>alongside) in our coming research paper, then there is also the
>opportunity
>to add your name and email address.
>
>Please send an invitation to any homo sapiens (our human bias excludes
>AI's
>from participating in this survey) that you feel will be interested and
>could contribute toward this important principle.
>
>The survey is available here: https://goo.gl/hMjaE1.
>
>Thank you very much for your contribution!
>
>Dr. Colin W. P. Lewis
>Robotenomics.com, & AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
>
>Prof. Dr. Dagmar Monett
>Ph.D. in Computer Science
>Berlin School of Economics and Law, AGI Sentinel Initiative (AGISI.org)
>
>Contact:
>Email: info@agisi.org
>Twitter: https://twitter.com/AGISI_ORG
>Website: http://agisi.org
>
>Privacy statement:
>Any personal information collected in this survey will be processed by
>AGISI.org researchers in accordance with the terms and conditions of
>the EU
>General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (Regulation (EU) 2016/679).
>We
>will hold your data securely and not make it available to any third
>party
>unless permitted or required to do so by law.
>
>References:
>Nilsson, N. J. (2010). The Quest for Artificial Intelligence. A History
>of
>Ideas and Achievements. Cambridge University Press.
>Wollowski, M. et al. (2016). A Survey of Current Practice and Teaching
>of
>AI. In D. Schuurmans and M. Wellman (eds.), Proceedings of the
>Thirtieth
>AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence, AAAI'16, Phoenix, Arizona,
>pp.
>4119-4124, Palo Alto, CA: AAAI Press.
>
>
>
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