Certainly this is a major resource for information retrieval R&D and
system-building

It's not particularly exciting for AGI, though. An AGI system could
make use of this resource, but it would be an extra effort-saving
resource for the AGI, rather than a must-have...

-- Ben G

--

SeH,

The route to n log n speed would seem to be:
1. Do some (rudimentary) grammatical analysis to identify potentially
interesting phrases.
2. Create sort keys from the phrases by reducing words to concepts, e.g.
strip superlatives and weak adjectives, change less common words to similar
but more common words, etc.

Nice reply, Matt,

I'll add only a few minor remarks...

Well, but it's still fun; I once created a similar collection for Ben (and
specifically, for an English-language teaching website), and it was
interesting to see how words are connected to other words. One or several
of the opencog blog entries dealt with the network statistics on such a

I'm not sure what to do with this. It's main purpose is context free
word sense disambiguation. But disambiguation is not really a useful
intermediate goal in natural language processing unless it's for
something like a search engine. For most NLP tasks the real problem is
modeling or computing probabilities over long strings. Disambiguation

You guys may be interested in this <[link]>.

== quote ==

We are happy to release a resource, spanning 7,560,141 concepts and 175,100,788 unique text strings, that we hope will help everyone working in [information retrieval and natural language processing].

KY,
Good luck at making impressions for Genifer and AGI at the start-up convention!!
-RS
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From: "YKY (Yan King Yin, 甄景贤)" <generic.intellige...@gmail.co m>
To: general-intelligence@googlegro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:28 PM

This is a good idea I think ... forward-chaining should be very suitable for this kind of processing.  It can also parse commands and give English explanations.  There's also fuzzy auto-complete in some IDEs...

this is one program that can compare similar code segments..

[link]

whether this happens in a command shell or IDE is pretty much the same
thing since this application would blur the lines between them.

for example, the strace/ltrace features Jim suggested would be analogous to

SeH,

I was actually thinking about a similar idea, in the context of programming
IDEs. It often happens that I write the same kind of structure twice or
more, either within the same function or in several functions. Usually when
I notice I'll make a function out of it, but not always. It's slightly

This is a good idea I think ... forward-chaining should be very suitable
for this kind of processing. It can also parse commands and give English
explanations. There's also fuzzy auto-complete in some IDEs...

I'm going to a local startup competition to introduce Genifer to some local
Hong Kong people... which lasts for the weekend... will get back to this

absolutely, command auto-completion suggestions could certainly be
involved.

i certainly recognize the relevant application of compression and also the
inductive logic solution applied in the mentioned paper.

yes! i think the strace or ltrace traces for a given command could indicate:

training against strace dumps of any program, shell or otherwise would be
trivial to provide for a stream of entity actions to classify

That's an interesting idea. One problem might be ending up with more
macros than you can remember. Another approach might be auto-complete
by comparing what you are typing with commands you entered previously.
In either case, it's similar to the problem of compressing your
command history.

i was thinking of a command shell, or an extension to existing shell like
BASH that analyzes your command history and automatically suggests macros
that cover frequently used command patterns.

for example, if i end up typing commands like:

find | fgrep '.c'
find | fgrep 'y'

it would suggest or create a new macro:

* and + may look isomorphic to AND and OR, but
a*b != b*a
whereas
a AND b = b AND a.

That makes the logic subtly different from Boolean algebra... otherwise
we'd be able to use database query optimizers to answer queries in Gen
logic.

In fact, Genifer's * and + can co-exist with Boolean algebra, resulting in

so far you've got something that looks like sparql test queries.

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:14 AM, YKY (Yan King Yin, 甄景贤) <

Steve, you seem to be sending mixed messages here.

Just a couple days ago you were claiming that AGIs were unlikely, if not impossible; (all that stuff about towers and clouds and such). Now you claim that civilization will collapse, not if, but "once" (your word) AGIs get into the hands of governments. Most people do not use the word "once" to talk about events they consider remote possibilities. So which is it? If you really consider AGIs so unlikely, then what are you worrying about?

And as far as our "screwed up society" is concerned, every society is imperfect, but I would bet that any one of our ancestors would love to trade places with us. Would you love to trade places with them? I most definitely would not.

Evan

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Richfield
To: Singularity
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Singularity] Wired article on AI risk


Matt,


On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Matt Mahoney <mattmahoneyfl@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Steve Richfield
<steve.richfield@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note that once the entrenched interests have AGIs at their service, there
> will be absolutely no way past such impasses and civilization will have no
> way to go but collapse. As things now are, modern weapons in the hands of
> the police will greatly increase the casualties. If you have some approach
> past this that doesn't involve killing and/or wishful thinking, then please
> let the world know about it.


I guess you didn't read my second question. The internet is becoming
the AGI. Everyone will have access to it. The ability to freely share
information loosens the iron grip of despots.


You apparently missed my comment in our off-line discussion, that there is absolutely NO force pushing the Internet in the utopian directions you envision. Quite the contrary, as my present startup proposal presumes the ability to co-opt the Internet for private gain, akin to the way that the Chinese government has forced Google and others to comply with their wishes.

Evan wrote:
> True enough, but another answer is that people have been crying "doom" since about the beginning of history. Of course, I'm sure the current crop of doomsayers will say that this time really is different.

If you look at history, EVERY empire eventually comes to a bad and violent end. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Yours is a VERY shortsighted view, unless you think that our VERY screwed up society is somehow immune from such things.

Note that throughout history that EVERY society, except those now in existence, has fallen into decay as its entrenched interests lead them to destruction. Note that there are NO really longlasting governments now in existence, and no apparent reason to expect any of them to survive for a long time.

Sure, as Matt so often points out, it might be possible to craft a society that is resistant to this continuing cycle of destruction, which at minimum would apparently require instant runoff elections and an absolute ban on election financing. Both of these measures would be existential risks to EVERY entrenched interest, so these cannot possibly come to pass, short of a revolution.

Steve


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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Steve Richfield
<steve.richfield@gmail.com> wrote:
> You apparently missed my comment in our off-line discussion, that there is
> absolutely NO force pushing the Internet in the utopian directions you
> envision.

The forces driving technology are orthogonal to the issue of fair
distribution of wealth. Let's not confuse them. In an anarchy, the
rich get richer and the poor are left to starve. But there is no
reason that technology has to cause this. Technology lowers the cost
of food and lowers the cost of giving the poor a voice.

> Note that throughout history that EVERY society, except those now in
> existence, has fallen into decay as its entrenched interests lead them to
> destruction.

I can't fault your logic. Every society has either failed or it hasn't.


-- Matt Mahoney, mattmahoneyfl@gmail.com

Matt,

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Matt Mahoney <mattmahoneyfl@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Steve Richfield
> <steve.richfield@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Note that once the entrenched interests have AGIs at their service, there
> > will be absolutely no way past such impasses and civilization will have
> no
> > way to go but collapse. As things now are, modern weapons in the hands of
> > the police will greatly increase the casualties. If you have some
> approach
> > past this that doesn't involve killing and/or wishful thinking, then
> please
> > let the world know about it.
>
> I guess you didn't read my second question. The internet is becoming
> the AGI. Everyone will have access to it. The ability to freely share
> information loosens the iron grip of despots.
>

You apparently missed my comment in our off-line discussion, that there is
absolutely NO force pushing the Internet in the utopian directions you
envision. Quite the contrary, as my present startup proposal presumes the
ability to co-opt the Internet for private gain, akin to the way that the
Chinese government has forced Google and others to comply with their wishes.

Evan wrote:
> True enough, but another answer is that people have been crying "doom"
since about the beginning of history. Of course, I'm sure the current crop
of doomsayers will say that this time really is different.

If you look at history, EVERY empire eventually comes to a bad and violent
end. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Yours is
a VERY shortsighted view, unless you think that our VERY screwed up society
is somehow immune from such things.

Note that throughout history that EVERY society, except those now in
existence, has fallen into decay as its entrenched interests lead them to
destruction. Note that there are NO really longlasting governments now in
existence, and no apparent reason to expect any of them to survive for a
long time.

Sure, as Matt so often points out, it might be possible to craft a society
that is resistant to this continuing cycle of destruction, which at minimum
would apparently require instant runoff elections and an absolute ban on
election financing. Both of these measures would be existential risks to
EVERY entrenched interest, so these cannot possibly come to pass, short of
a revolution.

Steve

"Matt Mahoney" <mattmahoneyfl@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Steve Richfield
> <steve.richfield@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Note that once the entrenched interests have AGIs at their service, there
>> will be absolutely no way past such impasses and civilization will have
>> no
>> way to go but collapse. As things now are, modern weapons in the hands of
>> the police will greatly increase the casualties. If you have some
>> approach
>> past this that doesn't involve killing and/or wishful thinking, then
>> please
>> let the world know about it.
>
> I guess you didn't read my second question. The internet is becoming
> the AGI. Everyone will have access to it. The ability to freely share
> information loosens the iron grip of despots.

True enough, but another answer is that people have been crying "doom" since
about the beginning of history. Of course, I'm sure the current crop of
doomsayers will say that this time really is different.

Evan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Mahoney" <mattmahoneyfl@gmail.com>
To: "Singularity" <singularity@listbox.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Singularity] Wired article on AI risk


> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Steve Richfield
> <steve.richfield@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Note that once the entrenched interests have AGIs at their service, there
>> will be absolutely no way past such impasses and civilization will have
>> no
>> way to go but collapse. As things now are, modern weapons in the hands of
>> the police will greatly increase the casualties. If you have some
>> approach
>> past this that doesn't involve killing and/or wishful thinking, then
>> please
>> let the world know about it.
>
> I guess you didn't read my second question. The internet is becoming
> the AGI. Everyone will have access to it. The ability to freely share
> information loosens the iron grip of despots.
>
>
> -- Matt Mahoney, mattmahoneyfl@gmail.com
>
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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Steve Richfield
<steve.richfield@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note that once the entrenched interests have AGIs at their service, there
> will be absolutely no way past such impasses and civilization will have no
> way to go but collapse. As things now are, modern weapons in the hands of
> the police will greatly increase the casualties. If you have some approach
> past this that doesn't involve killing and/or wishful thinking, then please
> let the world know about it.

I guess you didn't read my second question. The internet is becoming
the AGI. Everyone will have access to it. The ability to freely share
information loosens the iron grip of despots.


-- Matt Mahoney, mattmahoneyfl@gmail.com